Post by ERA KASTRATI on Jul 10, 2017 15:36:12 GMT -5
Judging by Alfred's reaction, Era must have hit close to the mark with her suppositions about how Alex could have gotten information out of one of Astrit's people. The realization was clearly unpleasant for him -- not that that was unexpected, given what Alex was like, but his explanation a moment later shed more light on how so. And it contained a further revelation, too...
"You remember the phrases he learned?" Era asked with some interest. Normally Alfred didn't remember what Alex had been up to -- for instance, he didn't seem to know what information had been derived from the interrogation they were discussing -- and in general he had suggested that their minds were almost completely separate, but if new skills learned by the one transferred to the other... well, what would that mean?
Era wasn't surprised to hear that Alfred had mixed feelings about the bidirectional flow of information between himself and Alex. Surely it was good for Alfred to be better informed about what was going on with the Initiative, but... "You think he's going to use it badly, then." It wasn't a question. Between everything Era had seen for herself about Alex, and everything that others had told her...
"And you've thought that some things might not be entirely true, right? That Alex might make something up, or that his... sources might have lied to him." She was pretty sure, but she wanted to check. Just in case.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Jul 11, 2017 11:48:44 GMT -5
Alfred considered Era's next question with a frown. Did he know the phrases that Alex learned? Putting more thought into it..no, he was fairly certain that this was the only phrase that 'got through', so to speak. It did frustrate him, though, that there wasn't really much that he could glean from that particular phrase, other than the fact that Alex used his usual over the top methods to interrogate a suspect that he'd captured. He didn't know what Alex gained from that though, other than the actual materials that Alfred found in his own pocket after he woke up and sought out Astrit for help..or if he actually gained anything prior to the translations that Astrit provided. He had to know it was something big though?
"Well yeah, of course I think he'll do something like that with it, why wouldn't he? This is Alex we're talking about here. It's just a question of what he plans to do with it." Bringing down Fawkes was just about the only thing that Alex was working toward that Alfred could agree on. They were 'working together' to some extent as far as this was concerned. But Alex sought out suspects and went after them without actually ascertaining that they were the proper suspects. Nor did he care if he went after someone who turned out to not be a suspect after all. Alfred almost wondered if, in some instance, Fawkes set up false leads on purpose for Alex to follow for this reason. Not that Alex would care, but Alfred certainly did.
He took a deep breath, closing his eyes for a few seconds before opening them once more. "Let's just say that I know that Alex has his own agenda. He may be going after Fawkes, but he has his own reasons for doing so. There's a lot of possibilities." Alex might receive the information, but there was no telling what he might do with that information - nor even if that information was 100% correct, because Alex often didn't bother delving deeper into what was going on. He would not be surprised at all if some of the potential suspects he received through his interrogations were entirely innocent and had nothing to do with Fawkes. And the most harrowing part? Alfred knew Alex couldn't care less.
That wasn't even considering that Fawkes operatives themselves might be deliberately giving Alex false leads that they could use to their own advantage. The last thing he wanted was to end up captured at the hands of Fawkes again..whether captured as himself or captured as Alex. Alfred ran a hand through his hair and leaned back in his chair, cracking his neck in an attempt to relieve some of the tension there
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Jul 13, 2017 16:06:17 GMT -5
Era saw that Alfred was thinking over her question about whether he had picked up the new skills Alex had apparently acquired, but he didn't share any conclusions that he reached with her. She was genuinely curious about what he was thinking about; not being in that situation herself (a blessing, however small it might be; one less potentially hostile wildcard in someone's head meant that many fewer opportunities for things to go horribly wrong), she didn't just know what it was like, and she wanted to understand what was happening to her friends and brother.
"What do you know about what he's learned?" she asked, quietly but with interest. "Is it just a little, or...?"
They were very much in agreement that it was obvious Alex's behavior led in dangerous directions. Even if neither of them had much idea what was in the offing, it was clear that it couldn't be good, because Alex just didn't do harmless things. "Of course," Era agreed. "And you don't have much access to any way of telling what -- except, you'd said he was working with Gina and the group she got together. Do you know if they might be able to help you figure out his goals?" If nothing else, a group of people Alex was regularly in contact with might have noticed something about his behavior...
It didn't exactly surprise Era to hear that Alex had his own agenda, considering everything. He seemed to enjoy destroying and killing, in ways that were clearly not compatible with Alfred's general goals, for one thing. Era grimaced sympathetically and grabbed another pastry. She could understand why the thought made Alfred uncomfortable, that was certain.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Jul 14, 2017 11:49:44 GMT -5
Alfred shifted a little where he stood, closing his eyes as he tried to to wrack his brain to see if there were any other phrases that slipped through. Not from what he could tell, though the one phrase that did slip through did offer further elucidation as to what exactly Alex was up to. It was something that Alfred could have guessed on his own, though he hadn't known the exact methods that Alex used for that particular interrogation until the phrase slipped through so at least he'd gained some further information than what he had to start with. At the same time..what little information that he had did not shed further light on what information Alex had. Had he obtained more information through the interrogation than what Alfred knew?
"Well I know he had access to the information to what was in my pocket when I called up Astrit to help. The phrase that slipped through makes it sound like he used..um, a simulation of drowning to get the guy to talk. I'm sure he probably learned more but that's all that crept through." Both learned more in the sense that he probably learned more French than just that, and learned more about what Alex might have learned during his meeting with the creep. This was one of those instances where it was looking more and more probable that the target Alex went after was actually affiliate with Fawkes. Alfred ground his teeth together..he rarely had a chance to interrogate Fawkes operatives as himself lately.
He blinked as he considered Era's suggestion, his eyes slowly widening. Luigina. Of course. She might have information on Alex that he didn't. Would she want to share with him, though? She certainly seemed to see him as more trustworthy than Alex (and with good reason), but she had been working with Alex for longer. "I'm not sure how good of terms he's on with them now. Luigina knows about the situation that he and I are in now. She didn't seem too happy that he didn't tell her before." And he couldn't blame Luigina for that. For one, he had the idea that Luigina was trying to run a rather close-knit group that cared for one another and Alex did not fit that bill.
The other reason he suspected Luigina was upset? In not sharing the full situation with Luigina, he kept Luigina and the others in the dark about a massive project that Fawkes was undertaking..and no one was actually certain if they had further plans for the 'project' or not. Either way, it would be important information that he knew that he would want to know if he were in Luigina's shoes, and he wouldn't blame her for being upset that Alex kept that from them
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Jul 16, 2017 20:59:34 GMT -5
Era listened intently as Alfred explained more about what he knew. There was some useful information in there, and she could fill in some of the blanks about what he didn't explain based on what she'd heard from her brother...
"You know he had access to some of the information because he... spoke to you and Astrit about it, right?" That was how her brother had described it, at least. As for the rest of what Alfred described... well, it sounded fairly horrifying, but... "Knowing even that much gives you a better idea of the shape of what he has been doing, doesn't it?" She hoped that that knowledge would be in some way useful; sometimes ignorance was more comfortable, but it was often important to know anyway...
Era nodded in understanding when Alfred described the situation between Luigina's group and Alex as it now stood. "That's probably for the best, as far as their safety is concerned," Era admitted. And she did think that was good. "Still, some of them might have observed something useful, or put together something insightful?" If they'd been in contact with Alex repeatedly over a period of time -- well, that wasn't an opportunity anyone who knew much about what Alex was like as a person strictly wanted, but it was also potentially valuable, and the interactions that most of them had had with the man were so limited in scope and duration. Largely because Alex tended to attack them, which didn't help anything at all. Even a vaguely cooperative interaction with him was a rare opportunity to glean the kind of information that might help them figure out what he was after.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Jul 17, 2017 10:48:50 GMT -5
Alfred found himself mildly surprised when Era admitted that she already knew that Alex 'talked' to Astrit at himself..but then he quickly reasoned that Era spoke with Astrit before this. It would make sense after all, Era and Astrit were siblings who happened to be fairly close. It stood to reason that Era would have been one of the first that Astrit told about what happened, if not the first. He just hoped that Astrit told his other sister as well. She needed to know, as the plot that Alfred and Astrit uncovered had a lot to do with her. Warning her about it ahead of time would put a damper on their plans to frame Astrit for what happened - though hopefully the plot wouldn't go forth at all at this point.
"Yeah, he kinda blurted it out in the middle of a conversation that Astrit and I were having. Said we were having a hard time figuring it out ourselves so he might as well lend a hand. Pretty sure he just wanted to weird us out though." On the one hand, Alfred didn't doubt that Alex actually wanted to share the information - at the very least so that Alfred could take the time to do his own exploration on the information that Alex shared with him. On the other, the particular methods he utilized for showing/telling Alfred the information that he'd gathered? He was nearly positive that Alex was intentionally going for the methods that would unsettle himself and others out the most.
He agreed with Era's assessment that it was best that Luigina and her group knew more about Alex for their own safety. Era brought up a point that he hadn't considered regarding those in the vigilante group and their interactions with Alex. "He might have mentioned something to them. I should ask Luigina if she has anything that might be able to help. Or at least an idea of who he might have worked with." That way he'd know who he could try to extract information from. There was no point in asking someone within Luigina's group who had little interaction with Alex, but if Alex went on 'missions' with others in the group, they would at least have some prior interaction with him.
He nevertheless figured that Alex was only participating in these missions because they were easy access to the Fawkes targets and information that he sought after. He knew that Alex didn't care about the full mission of the group, and was only participating because there was something in it for him. But would Alex's participation in the group work out for Alfred as well, at least in terms of finding out more about Alex and his mission? That remained to be seen..
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Jul 18, 2017 17:45:51 GMT -5
Era was pretty sure she wasn't the first one Astrit had spoken to after the incident -- that would have had to be Snežana, who was after all more directly involved -- but she had heard some details, especially the parts her brother felt most strongly about, because he liked to get her opinion about situations that upset him.
Alfred's description of Alex's intervention made reasonable sense, but Era couldn't quite hold back a surprised laugh when he mentioned his theory about why his alter ego had felt the need to speak up. "I guess that's pretty typical for him, isn't it?" she said. Alex seemed to like trouble, in general, and surprising people probably counted as enough trouble for him to bother. That didn't necessarily make the information he shared more credible, to say the least, but at the same time, it didn't totally invalidate it either. In her friends' shoes, though, Era would definitely have given anything Alex said careful scrutiny: it could be true, but it also could be him saying the most inflammatory things he could think of, just to stir up trouble...
When Alfred took Era's suggestion that Luigina and her group might have useful information, the woman smiled. "I could ask her myself, too. She's family to me; I've been meaning to pay her a visit anyway." There were quite a lot of reasons for Era to talk to Luigina, actually, and they just kept building up, even during the course of this conversation; one of these days, she should just make it happen.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Jul 21, 2017 10:48:40 GMT -5
It was good to know that there were a few of them who knew about the 'incident' now, especially when Era, Snežana, and Astrit were all in the same area of the world and thus would be in a better position to prevent something if the plans still did go through than Alfred would. He could keep an eye out so long as he was in the area, but he was really only in the area because Alex traveled to the area in the first place. He'd make the best of his experience while he was there and pay a visit to everyone that he could think of to talk to since he was already in the area, but he hadn't exactly planned this trip ahead of time. It was sprung upon him the moment he woke up within Astrit's borders.
"He called you up and talked to you on the phone to pass along a message, didn't he? A message that I ended up giving, and one that he led into in the weirdest possible way you said. I think you hit the nail on the head." He gave a wry sort of laugh. That was still a bizarre set of circumstances as far as he was concerned, yet it did seem perfectly Alex to do such a thing. To call up Era, prefacing it with taunts and creepy jeers, only to allow Alfred the chance to relay the information that he'd initially wanted to call Era about without even realizing what Alex had done before or afterward until it was far too late, until Era passed along the message herself about what happened.
He hadn't realized that Era and Luigina were family, but he supposed it made sense. Era and Feliciano were family after all. "Plus it's up to them whether they reveal information or not. Luigina's been very careful about that from what I can tell. That's why Alex is a liability." ..well, one reason why he was a liability. Alex's loyalty to the vigilante group was nonexistent. They were a means to an end, and that did not sound like the sort of environment that Luigina wanted to foster. She wanted to foster a close knit group that was somewhat like family, that took care of each other while they hunted down the bad guys. Something that Alfred could understand a lot better.
He wondered how recently Era spoke with Luigina, and if she realized that Luigina stayed within Alfred's borders for the past several months. If she wanted to have a conversation with Luigina and catch up with her, it was probably best to know where to look. Cell phones made it easy to contact one another at least, so Era would probably be able to get the answer to that question from Luigina herself - though Alfred was willing to at least pinpoint the general area if needed
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Jul 25, 2017 21:48:13 GMT -5
Era shared Alfred's wry smile at the reminder of that weird incident where Alex called her on the phone to sort of pass on a message from Alfred. "It's true. He seems to like being confusing," she agreed. Maybe it was more than that. Alex seemed to like getting reactions out of people, of various descriptions; anything that led to increased chaos seemed to suit him just fine. "Keeping people guessing, too. That worries me." There were certainly a lot of reasons to find Alex's behavior worrying, though the one that kept niggling at Era was the thought that he might use that confusion to deceive...
The concerns about Gina and her group made a lot of sense to Era. Alex would surely be dangerous to them, and there were so many reasons why it would be better for them to be away from him. "Better that they would get control over that, then, and not have him possibly misusing information from them?" She thought that was what Alfred was talking about, at any rate, and it was certainly true...
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Jul 26, 2017 10:48:44 GMT -5
Alfred agreed with Era's assessment that Alex loved pulling reactions out of others. He clearly had other goals in mind that he wasn't sharing willingly, but he also played fast and easy with certain bits of information. It made it hard to track what Alex was really aiming toward - and Alfred figured that at least part of that was intentional. Not that he didn't relish chaos for what it was. He'd made that clear a long time ago. But he also knew that there had to be some sort of reason why he was passing off information to Alfred this time around to help Alfred's own investigation. He rarely shared information about anything that he did the first time around, with Alfred having to find out about what happened through others.
"I noticed that too, with the incident I just mentioned being a good example of that. He likes to make others as uncomfortable as possible too, you notice that? I'm one of his favorite targets for that, but that might not be..ah who am I kidding, it's intentional." Alex's very existence was uncomfortable for Alfred of course, but to suggest that Alex didn't enjoy that was laughable. There were times where he was certain that Alex deliberately set up the information that he was passing along to Alfred in the most twisted or disturbing way, simply because he knew that it would get a rise out of not only Alfred but those around him. The way that Alex introduced himself to Alfred was proof of this.
Misusing information from Luigina's group? Alfred was fairly certain that Alex joined Luigina's group with the express purpose of doing just that. "I'm sure he's been doing that since the beginning, he's not exactly a team player. Not unless there's something in it for him. Oh yeah..he finally, uh, introduced himself in a bathroom a few weeks ago." Alfred ran a hand through his hair, thinking back to that incident. He was still in the process of investigating the recording that Alex provided him with during that meeting, but he'd never forget the realization that the creep that was taunting him after he woke up in a cramped position within a bathroom stall introduced himself through his own reflection.
He was admittedly incredibly concerned about Luigina's group, and not just because they were putting themselves in danger through their very existence. That was a risk that Alfred knew Luigina and her group were willing to take, as vigilantes. The risk that Alex posed was another risk entirely. He might be useful in that he added brawn, but he knew from the moment he'd met Luigina that she was aware of how much of a risk Alex posed to her and her cohorts
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Aug 1, 2017 19:39:20 GMT -5
Clearly, Era and Alfred agreed about the matter of Alex enjoying messing with people's heads and feelings, and it was reassuring to know for sure that Alfred was aware of what his alter ego was up to.
"That is definitely what I saw," the Albanian agreed. "I know he's tried to make me uncomfortable in a number of different ways, I've seen him do it to others, and I've heard about other incidents that were similar." She grimaced. "It's too bad you have to live with him, as it were." Era was well aware that she was lucky to have been spared that particular problem. It seemed that each of the alter egos was unique, but all of them complicated the lives of those who had them in some way.
She nodded in understanding when Alfred pointed out that Alex had probably been making unethical use of the information Luigina's group had obtained from the beginning. "Still, the sooner they get away from him, the less he can find out and the less harm he can do, right?" Unless he went after them out of boredom or some sense of revenge, but...
Era was quickly distracted by the mention that Alex had introduced himself to Alfred in a bathroom. "He did what? How?" she asked, taken aback by the thought. It seemed like it would be difficult, at best, for two people in a single body to interact directly... Unless he meant something else? But Era wasn't sure what that could be.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Aug 2, 2017 10:48:42 GMT -5
Alfred chuckled when Era referred to it as 'living with Alex'. That was actually a good way of putting his situation. At least Alfred had his ways of communicating with Alex now. In some ways Alfred felt as though he knew more of what Alex was up to this time..but he still felt like Alex picked and chose what he wanted to tell Alfred. Alfred found out about Luigina through his own investigations (though Alex's contacts with them helped to bridge a few gaps, so perhaps that was intentional on Alex's part after all). Alfred knew that he didn't know all of Alex's exploits though - for every incident that Alex actually provided him with information or evidence, there was another where Alfred was left with little in the way of clues.
"It probably depends on how he parts ways with them. He'll probably still mess with them in some way or another, you know how he is..though he's probably already doing that. If they part on a bad note though.." Alfred frowned. There was really no telling what Alex might do. He might deliberately attempt to sabotage their efforts, he might actively go after them..or he might decide it's not worth it and just redouble his own efforts on Fawkes. It all depended where the biggest payout was. And Alfred already had a fairly good idea of what Alex was bothering to work with Luigina and her group in the first place. They provided him with easy information that he could then utilize for his own purposes.
He sent a wry grin Era's way when she asked how Alex managed to introduce himself in a bathroom. Turned out he'd have to explain what he meant by that. "Reflections in the mirror, it was in a nightclub bathroom in Europe of all places. Kinda wound up breaking the mirror. He had a recording of someone speaking in Russian about April." That was information that he hadn't share with her before, Alfred was fairly certain. He'd sent the recording on to Maddie to aid in her own investigations, which was the important part - but Alfred had yet to figure out where the recording fit into his own investigations. The fact that Russia behaved oddly during the meeting shortly afterward only added to this.
He took a deep breath before letting out a long exhale. Not much time had passed since his last meeting with Era, but he still felt like he'd had a lot to catch her up on. Even still, he'd only brushed up against some of the things that had happened over the past few months. He was certain that she'd probably want to know more about the Russian bit, especially as she knew what happened a few weeks before that..
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Aug 2, 2017 22:28:28 GMT -5
Apparently Alfred found Era's phrase about his relationship to Alex amusing; the woman answered his chuckle (which sounded an awful lot like recognition) with a smile. It had seemed apt to her, to describe it that way, and it seemed he agreed.
He had a point, saying that parting ways with Alex wasn't necessarily going to keep Gina and friends safe. Era grimaced. She knew perfectly well, by now, that he was right. "I presume you warned them that he was that sort of person," she said. It seemed like a pretty safe assumption, but she still wanted to confirm. "And are you saying it might be good to have someone keep an eye out to make sure they're okay anyway?" She cared about her cousin, and generally didn't like the thought of innocent bystanders getting in Alex's way, so she worried...
The description of what exactly Alex had done to introduce himself caught Era by surprise, on more than one level. He'd appeared in the mirror? And he'd had a recording? "That must have been... jarring," she noted. "How long ago was this? And have you found out anything more about the recording?" Those seemed to be the most important questions to lead with, she judged. There really was an awful lot to talk about, though.
Post by ALFRED F. JONES on Aug 3, 2017 11:48:48 GMT -5
Alfred frowned as he watched Era grimace at the news that Alex parting with Luigina's vigilante group did not necessarily mean that Luigina and the others would be safe from Alex. But Alex's presence did not guarantee that either. Honestly, the very fact that Alex knew about Luigina and her group in the first place put them in danger, and there was no way around that whether Alex stayed a member or not. Alfred knew Alex was only cooperating because there was a benefit to Alex, but once Alex decided differently (and that could happen on an absolute whim from what Alfred knew of Alex), they weren't safe at all. Especially since Alex knew where their headquarters were located.
"I mean I did warn Luigina when I talked to her, but it's not like she hadn't figured it out already. And yeah actually, that's a great idea just in case. I know Luigina's on the lookout but the more the merrier." Alfred was on the lookout as well, but that only did so much good when certain words and phrases could bring Alex out. Alfred didn't even know what those words and phrases were, but there was an inherent risk of the subjects coming up given the very purpose of Luigina's group to go after Fawkes. At least Alfred didn't feel the sensations creeping up whenever Fawkes was brought up the way that he had the last time Alex made appearances..which told him that the triggers were different this time (not that they were needed).
No, Alex could still turn up without the triggers of course, the triggers just made it an almost certainty. "It's not the first time I've experienced it, though it is with him. I did run into Russia and he accused me of thinking he had something to do with it. This was back in May." He'd used the name Russia because he was fairly certain that it was not Ivan that he was talking to, but he still wasn't absolutely certain who he was. Regardless, the name Russia fit whoever he was talking to, and thus that seemed like the best name to use. The fact that he'd run into Russia so soon after hearing the recording didn't exactly look great for Russia either, especially given his behavior..
On the one hand, Alfred didn't think that Ivan wanted to take the chance of escalating anything. On the other..Alfred knew that it wasn't always Ivan. And he'd been shot by someone who definitely was not Ivan..so if notIvan was willing to shoot him, it did not seem like all that far of a stretch that he'd be willing to do something more drastic. But..what about Maddie and how she was impacted? Where did she fit in? Though perhaps it was just her connection to Alfred..
Post by ERA KASTRATI on Aug 19, 2017 9:48:25 GMT -5
Era understood that just being in contact with Alex in the first place was enough to put people in danger, regardless of whether they stayed in touch or broke it off. Having Alex aware of their existence, even in the broadest possible terms, was often enough for that: of course she remembered that he had attacked major population centers all over the world purely because they were full of people.
It was good to know that at least Gina was plenty well warned. Era wasn't surprised to hear that her relative had figured out the basics of what there was to fear from Alex -- it wasn't as if the man hid that he was dangerous, and Gina was plenty aware -- but the full extent of what he could do and had done was not exactly obvious and the more people in particular danger knew about the matter, the better. "I'll have to see if there's anything I can do to help," she mused.
Era didn't quite understand what Alfred meant by his odd description of his conversation with Alex being "not the first time" and yet the first time "with him," until she remembered some things she'd heard others (mostly the American states) discussing, about Alfred having a history of similar experiences. On previous such occasions, then? She figured she should ask, though, to be sure: "What do you mean, 'with him?' Something like this happened before, or...?"
Era remembered something of the news about Russia. "You told me a bit about that at the time," she recalled. It was almost funny, in a way, that Alfred had come to her directly after being shot: how many times had she patched up a friend quickly and in secret? It wasn't the worst habit to have, but she wondered why people tended to pick her to come to in such straits. "Still no idea why he said that?"
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